The idea has never been proposed for Collaroy. Good point, Lilas, but I think the issues around hard structures and beach environments have been established for so long and are so well known in the coastal management field that it's taken as read. That ABC article is spot on when it comes to waterfront properties. Here are the bloke credentials Theyve introduced these gently sloped walls to broaden the widths of the roads to protect them from erosion. Damaged houses and a collapsed swimming pool at Collaroy beach after waves of up to 8 metres hit the coast on June 6, 2016. Owners, Council and 'engineersshame shame shame. Seawalls of this design have been shown - all over the world- to destroy beaches. A few pics. Most swells will have to wrap around the rock/reef headlands as well as cape Otway before this and nicely wrap the swell into the bays and our coast has been shaped like this for however thousands of years so it is used to it, and this is what us humans observe as the normal state of the beaches as they are quite predictable and dont change much around here. Looking at that DA via Stu's link, it must have taken a considerable, possibly illegal, effort to keep that out of the hands of those community members with a long record of interest in the matter. It would be the same as for any development adjacent to the cables where they make landfall. The council had an interest in preventing future erosion impacting Pittwater Rd, the main north-south artery on the NB. Links relating to the City of Sydney, and NSW in general - please read our rules before And thats being generous. I don't disagree with most of that. Zen interested how Japan just keeps dropping those big Tetrapods anywhere there is coastal erosionlost a lot of surf spots..how effective do you think they actually are against erosion? That's the only thing stopping all the sand at the base of the wall getting washed away. Also, it's a not so secret secret, anyone who speaks out about this have been known to disappear. For the swellnet readers here's some background info, and here. Its like stepping forty years back in time. It didn't last long and within 12 hours the sand that was built up against the near finished first wall was 2/3rds washed away. Another week, another pumping day in the south-west of France. The public should not suffer loss of amenity or pay the costs to protect it. You don't have to look around the world because the Gold Coast has implemented the only effective "non- ugly as fuck" option at Palm Beach Qld. You can cry about why it wasn't their fault but that doesn't change anything at all. When the CBA or risk assessment work is done with good information about the things to be lost (eg the beach, public access, amenity, etc) it can shift the outcome of the analysis significantly, particularly the "do nothing" which is actually doing something. The project is part of the 1.3-km seawall proposed from South Narrabeen to Collaroy to protect both private and public assets in the suburb. @dawnperiscope. Hi Craig, the short answer is I'm not sure as I have been out of NSW too long. Shit.That looks like they are preparing for an invasion. Separately at the Collaroy pool end of the beach when the walk way became unstable they just craned in these massive bags of rocks on top of each other and said job done - ugly as fuck. @Tango Premium ad-free surfcams, dawn surf reports, and more https://www.sydneycoastalcouncils.com.au/sites/default/files/JRCorkill_A https://www.surfline.com/surf-news/theyve-kerbed-guttered-narrabeen-beac https://www.scs.nsw.gov.au/soil-conservation-services-projects/collaroy- https://files.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/g https://files.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/collaroy-na https://www.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/council/news/whats-happening-coll https://www.linkedin.com/mwlite/in/peter-horton-coastal-engineer, https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=144437777895204. So fkd how big some of those sea walls are and just ruin the towns completely and those that rely on the area, Theyve done the same thing to much of Taiwans coast, see eg: http://www.irjes.com/Papers/vol6-issue10/F61012431.pdf. Large waves have a lot of energy and must be forced to break further out to sea to dissipate the energy before reaching the sand shoreline. Ocean Pools > Skate Bowls > Wave Pools > "Boomer'z Backwash Booger Bowl", Crew requested the Turning Japanese Tool Box, History of Collaroy Erosion / Wave Pools / Tow Surfers. Newiie Harbour was pumping. Thanks so much zen! Yep, prevents over-topping but how's the reflection and enhanced rebound wave back into the surf zone!? However the short period easterly swells go straight into all parts of the surfcoast digging it up and turn almost every beach with low swell energy into an ugly mess. Can't wait to see the classic "Dick and Balls" painted on that big ugly fucker. I will check with him and report back. Thanks Lilas, totally get where you're coming from and taken on board. My parents in NZ were excited when they took out bloodymangroves at the mouth of the estuary where they lived. Pipeline specialist injured while duckdiving in heavy waves. Collaroy seawall project | Protection from coastal erosion Watch on Location: Collaroy NSW Our specialist staff were engaged by the Northern Beaches Council to construct the 250m rock revetment seawall in front of the Collaroy Beach carpark. Among many objectives, it outlines how people living in threatened property might defend their homes. At the opening, Mayor Michael Regan spoke fondly of Toms achievements crediting him with adding swathes of precious coastal habitat for protection for future generations. The Mayor also unveiled a plaque that mentioned the line in the sand protest. He said when the work is complete, sand will be pushed up to cover most of the seawall. why should the taxpayer pay to protect a small number of private landholders who actively choose to profit from purchasing in a tidal zone? Willi, how would easterlies impact the Great Ocean Road coast? Highly unlikely! I can see everybody getting angry here on SN..but what are the solutions to seal level rise , Short term and long term. Take the houses away eventually they would be building a wall to protect that road that you whinging moles drive around on for 20min checking it. There is currently an online petition to stop it extending to the Marquees. I think the re-sale value of their properties trumped their ability to access the from their back garden. Existing market value must take into account that houses have erosion problems. what's the logic/law in having to buy back the properties ? I mean, did someone forget about the old idiom about 'shifting sands' or what? This seawall will not only protect our homes but also Pittwater Rd, and the many communication and public services installed under it, from inevitable future storm events. Although ill be constantly monitoring the situation and around at cathedral the beach profile has certainly been getting steeper. Here's a screengrab from the website about the proposed breakwall extension: It seems that the main concern about the extension is the interruption of the natural flow of sand onto Mooloolaba beach and hence increased erosion risk. Yep pretty significant increase in the height. She had reigned as Queen for 70 years. Please enable it to continue. I do however feel there needs to be more separation regarding fact and opinion in your article. Stick your comments up your arse fuckwit engineers dont approve shit like this they get paid to do what they are told direct your retarded comments at millionaire house owners and council you piece of shit. My NSW water buddy says MHL are coyboys. The majority of these companies are legitimate businesses set up by Yakuza. Alas this would have meant some loss / damage to private property. Bean counters at the local council know this too. Hey BD. For those who object to it, there is something hostile about Collaroy's multi-million-dollar sea wall. It pisses me off that people wilfully or ignorantly choose to buy in areas that are not for purpose, enabled by the property industry and then scream out for taxpayer help when the inevitable disaster occurs. Northern Beaches councils have been sacked for dodgy dealing twice before. Isn't an extension to the Point Cartwright breakwall on the cards aa well? Maybe start a thread in the Forumsand you must have a few Wild sea tales to tell with 560 Lord Howe trips under your belt. Probably not council's fault then, happy to blame the owners! There is no evidence whatsoever of accelerated erosion seaward of these newly constructed works. My experience is that if the responsible authority wasn't involved in the valuation process they struggle to comprehend it, let alone see how it legitimately applies to their own patch via things like benefits transfer. Its no wonder the climate brigade aren't on board telling us all there garbage but erosion been around a tad longer than the 80s. Having said that, nature usually finds a way to overcome most "permanent" human structures, and they often seem to forget that the wall isn't continuous.yet. San Sebastian surfers are fighting a wavepool in their hometown, which is also the hometown of Wavegarden's founder. Records show the DA for the Collaroy Seawall had been lodged 18 months earlier in July 2018. Here Willi. Action: Casey Johnston to forward initial site visit details to Taskforce members, noting there will be a further site visit as the project progresses". However, the residents focused primarily on the protest against the sea wall while not suggesting any alternate solutions to solve the coastal erosion, and therefore, failing the 3rd criteria. Contrast man-made against a natural barrier like mangroves (apologies for the sound, not my video), Trees work well for preventing erosion ONLY when the wave power is very minimal. It's going to be carnage there this morning & yesterday afternoon even, solid 6-8ft sets on a big high, anyone heading down for a look? Please please please don't let those greedy fucks do this to Australia. People need to be absolutely on top of the approval process in their local area if they want to have a hope of preventing these structures. High-quality Collaroy Wall Art designed and sold by artists. nothing that a annual maintenance fee paid for by the taxpayer can't fix. 30 years of volunteers doing Dunecare (eg. The seawall is probably built over them. We had made a big mistake that would become bigger. It just doesn't make the engineering firms any money or contribute to gross state product under the current economic system. Thanks BB. Much better to work out a solution where the public doesnt lose their beach as per collaroy, but councils/government do need to help landowners. A shame too, as it would probably be a good strategy. gsco, I'd have thought that the first hurdle for any enhancement - besides the environmental impacts - would be the issue of access and whether the investment creates something with the most benefit for the most people. They have just completed digging out a new path for the river to follow with excavators and every day Id watch the next morning after high tide their progress would seem effortless and the river would tend to follow the old direction. I wrote to Many Hydraulics Laboratory to ask for the details regarding the sea wall assessment they produced. A "macabre" scene greeted surfers followinga mass kill of invertebrates. What insanity! Photograph: Wendy Harmer Coastal municipalities have been tackling the problem with a suite of measures. Locate courts, tribunals and offices. They are frequently used in locations where further shore erosion will result in excessive damage, e.g. Just look at the surfcams tommorow morning, will be another case of ugly easterly that will make problems worse. Be interesting to know whether the assumptions for the modelling included any information on the value of the beach to be lost, belly. [happy to stand corrected on any of this] Ha! Good point, lilas, that explains the mystery of why aborigines didn't build their homes close to the ocean. Maintenance starts 2 months (?) The Gold Coast has undoubtedly the most at risk coastline in Australia. Five years ago, residents along Collaroy Beach watched helplessly as enormous waves smashed into their backyards, collapsing pools and patios of their multimillion-dollar waterfront properties. Almost certainly the latter lilas, given the problems Sydney has had with apartment blocks I would think regulation is minimal to non-existent. Lake that has been going on for the last 20 years. Unlike politicians, scientists are usually very open with sharing their knowledge and data, to help inform the public. >> Quite a worrying statement to begin with. Beaches with hard structures can return, though it takes longer, and rocks and concrete in the wave zone also make for a dangerous combination. Collaroy's existing situation is precarious at best. Yep. If you are referring to Vertical hard structures then that needs to be specified). Some interesting papers about building seawalls and the effect it has on risk perception in the post Tsunami context in Japan: Littlejohn (2020) "Dividing worlds tsunamis, seawalls, and ontological politics in Northeast Japan" Apparently there was a buy back scheme that faltered in the early 1980's when the department of public works ran out of money. This widely publicized protest was an attempt to promote a pro-democracy, civil liberty, social justice message, and to protest against corporate greed and economic inequality. Im not sure that councils have the legal authority to acquire the land, pretty sure that resides with State governments and the Feds only in certain circumstances. And the properties either side?? I think this was done for the first DA, the sloping rock wall, rather than the vertical one that was actually built. Has any one ever suggested an off shore reef, seems like a win-win or is the sea floor unsuitable? Owners of storm-devastated Collaroy properties on Sydney's northern beaches face paying up to $140,000 each for a new sea wall that might have saved their homes had it been there at the weekend. Lol. Caveat emptor..buyer beware. Some relevant links from when I had a dig around before. We spoke to expert coastal engineer, Peter Horton, about the current situation and the coastal protection works he designed to protect the properties from large and powerful surf. And find outwhy you'll soon hear a hell of a lot more about them. But, they just persist time and time again. Furthermore they have facilitated an increase of erosion to adjacent beaches. If they were 100% against it but felt they had no choice but to design/sign it, then they simply have no morals/ethics/backbone. There are many software suits now that can handle very complex near-shore modeling, including sediment transport from wave and current action. Check this out. Hey there - well I live in Noosa, Sunshine Beach specifically. The very thing we live for one the beaches is full of concrete and man made fuck ups. The first application for a sloping structure was widely publicised and accepted by most who saw it. Current property values have ensured that this mistake will never be righted. Criticism of the debris left on the beach, the erosion as the sea ran up against the wall and drew away all the sand during January 2022 swells and the manner in which these works have been carried out prompted council staff to investigate a number of times during the heavy swells, and has been under regular inspection since then. The state government and council are together tipping in 20 per cent of the costs for the construction of a wall stretching from Collaroy to South Narrabeen after heavy surf and powerful storms . Then there is the question of the parameters given to the designers of the second structure. https://www.smh.com.au/property/news/coastal-properties-at-highest-clima https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-17/will-climate-change-put-an-end-to Kala Grace In Dramatic Rescue While Competing In Backdoor Shootout, 'Corners Of The Earth: Kamchatka' Tour Dates, Watch: Hossegor Super Session January 6th, Australian Designer To Launch Crescent Head Hotel Amid Local Development Concerns, Dead Marine Life Washes Onto South Oz Beaches After Flooding, Watch: Ryan Callinan // Beneath A Pear Tree, Watch: Cronulla's Jarvis Earle Wins World Junior Title. Sorry Peter but we can't just take you on your word for it. We have over 40 years of combined experience installing, maintaining, and repairing seawalls on both residential and commercial properties. All of which. https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/01/28/world/28israel6/28israel6-sup Sea-change hostage negotiations at Hellhole of the Pacific Should this critical lens be applied to other topics such as the Coolum wavepool? Such a shame its job wasn't to conserve the beach and public access at the same time. The wall is set to be seven metres tall, but three-quarters will then be covered by sand brought onto the beach. That video represents a nightmare scenario, no beach, no waves and similar to Zen's story ie man made interference gone wrong. My working assumption is that they have behaved unethically on this matter. This is very different to Collaroy. Mr Horton said there has been some very minor erosion at Collaroy/Narrabeen Beach this week, along with other NSW beaches, but it is not a cause for concern. For the most part I understand buybacks but, how will they appraise the value of these properties? They've had a very very blessed life compared to anyone else in this country and that in return they would do such harm to a public place to save their private property is a bit sad. The council will buy me out at any price if things get too hot". Given Council has already completed protection works on public land, and there's been a lot of talk about the owners' seawall, understanding all the facts is important. (9News) But the structure has divided locals, with many describing it as an eyesore, and there are concerns it may wipe out the beach entirely. If they approached the landowners then the most they would be offered is market value. Section 2.4 Item 4 - classic stuff. Though they were quick to remove signs only recently erected on the beach.. https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/council-was-asked-about-danger-signs To be replaced with signs "Collaroy artificial reef project 2023", This is a glimpse of what a beach could be; following sensible Council planning; (post storms in 1974) eg. High rises to sea walls. First completed by the French in 1735, the Pondicherry seawall reaches a height of 27 feet above sea level. If you want to witness how to do irreparable damage to a coastline, look no further than Japan. That's so shithouse I don't know where to start, Zen. Again this can only be taken as opinion without proper scientific references. This just a year ago was a nice Sandune. Much bigger. "The only feasible way forward without wasting any more council and tax payers money to protect the properties in question is to acquire the properties at any cost and return them to a naturalised stated." Thats just a done deal. Guess where that temporary rock wall has ended up! Hi Mark. The Feds and States are the only ones with sufficient means to do anything, but for them its a case of not my problem. Not off topic JS, wouldn't be surprised if there is a hyperlink to that video in the sea wall approval document!. Cheers for the knowledge Craig. Initial reports claim Marcio Friere wasn't wearing an inflatable vest when he was held down in large waves. I have to disagree. More often than not, the pollies retiire and are parachuted onto the boards of these companies and live out their lives having enriched themselves quite nicely. The 18-year-old scored a near-perfect 9.50 in the Final, held at Seaside Reef in Encinitas, California. The local community group has been protesting against a seawall for almost 30 years. Tonights high tide is 1.34m, tomorrow morning is 1.96m. Therefore, the group of Narrabeen and Collaroy residents are not successful in addressing the issue of coastal erosion. I looked at the Bruun rule - i think it was roughly 10cm sea level rise = 1metre of beach vanishes? In Japan, their solution is to just go bigger and higher . Pipeline specialist injured while duckdiving in heavy waves. I have a blanket policy of not feeling sorry for people owning properties worth multiple millions of dollars, who have lived the better part of their lives walking from their beachfront home directly onto the sand. Theyre only a couple of hundred years away from That means that the Feds have all the money, the States some and the councils bugger all. In 1974I witnessed what cyclonic ocean power can do to ignorantly planned beach development 50 years on and a lot of sea miles under my belt. "Update from Council on possible site visit to Northern Beaches: Casey Johnston advised a site visit to Narrabeen-Collaroy is being canvased for early December 2021 to allow review of their seawall in construction. Its a wicked problem theyve got, in the true sense of the word.. As a result, dried out sediments are carried by the wind towards the land. I tear up and swear to myself. Or as the comment above lists - quoted by Prof Short - not let the property developers and real estate industry interfere with good management strategy decades ago that would have avoided council being left with a steaming pile of shit. Will try and find out. https://www.linkedin.com/mwlite/in/peter-horton-coastal-engineer. Is it designed to behave like a bottle-neck? This has cut into the base of the dunes below the surf club. How was Collaroy Beach made? I do know the metro area was excluded from the NSW Coastal Policy for a long time because it was seen as too difficult, and that the CLPS was focussed on environmental values. Also any factual statements need reference links to scientific papers backing them up if they are to be taken seriously A seven-metre high wall erected to protect beachside mansions from being washed away has sparked debate among locals in a wealthy Sydney suburb. Looks like the council are aware of the liability concerning the still submerged rocks. Could be some good entertainment next time some serious swell hits. Bullshit. Thanks, Lilas, I agree with there being challenges inherent in generalising, but I'm going to resist the temptation to take our shared pedantry down the rabbit hole this time! and who can afford to pay the rates and any rate increases due to sea wall construction costs, which will leave rate payers on low and middle incomes moving toward rather than away from poverty. We do, but unfortunately we also have a pervasive mindset in surfing that everything should stay the same as it was back in the good old days. These are the taxpayer funded grants that LGAs will apply for, to repair the wall. The NB has always excelled at extreme ugliness. I like the cut of your pedantic job, there Lilas. https://eservices.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/ePlanning/live/Public/XC.Tr And this (Item 4) gives the reasons they changed to a wall. Yes, blowie, I've yet to see anyone our age advocating for a soft solution. Yep. Tetrapods work but don't protect the adjacent beach very well unless there are multiple groynes. As mentioned in an earlier post, I place the blame fair and square at coastal engineers who design and approve these ill-fated designs. Here's the Maritime Safety Queensland website link and here's what appears to be the numerical modelling report upon which a lot of decision-making on the issue is based. The angle of any hard hard structure relative to the wave direction is what really matters, so you can see why it's important to be very specific when talking about science/engineering. There are some fed govt areas that listen to this thinking. Pretty incredible and frightening stuff. More than a year after severe storms damaged property in Collaroy, construction of a long-awaited sea wall is underway. https://www.celeria.org/ For some it. Well go for them, put in your FOI requests and prove what we all suspect; that the council turned a blind eye to save themselves some money and appease a noisy minority. On the release of his latest edit, R-Cal chats to Swellnet about love and other acrobatics. It has to be worth a look. In a story on Northern Beaches Review, Bob Orth, who lives in one of the houses behind the seawall, said the seawall should inspire others to do likewise. Step 5: Construct the Seawall. If anyone used it and saw the second DA let me know. Vertical Seawalls Vertical seawalls are exactly what you think. This strategy had been used in other parts of the world where poor planning placed buildings too close to the ocean. 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