Copyright 2023 Pew Pew Media, Inc. All rights reserved. It features a 6 shot capacity and weighs just about 40 . Might need to get rid of it because of hand issues. The Model 60 is a5-shot DA/SA stainless steel J frame revolver. Despite the fact that some people dont like Taurus guns, I still like my Taurus 617Ti. I keep mine because I know it, use it, and have speed loaders that work. Over priced at best, "suck" not hardly. Best accuracy in real 357 loadings (much of todays 357 is anemic) is with 140+ grain bullets. Someone so knowledgeable in the area of ballistics should be smart enough to identify it as being beneath their level of expertise and just walk on by. Makes for a great defensive carbine for the family. I have one with excellent condition, slightly used. Our .357 Magnum carbine: a new-production Marlin 1894C. My favorite is the 686! You wont find one off the shelf, but I could take a standard 9mm barrel and find a good lathe operator to deepen the chamber. However, the .380 does a good job with shot placement. I have hand loaded just about everything in .38 and I have an old model 19 and just recently started shooting again. Another dumb comment about this dumb article. As an example, I do happen to like the earlier 6 shot 686s, but dont care much for the heavier 7 shooters. Theres nothing to stop a hand loader from using slow powder to maximize velocity out of a 9 mm carbine. It's definitely my "funnest" gun, and bought purely for the "cool" factor. I think you forgot about Taurus just like a publication like this the only put up the front most popular names. I love my Chiappa Rhino. Their prices are still reasonable, but they are starting to climb, as the name start to get respected again. But if any of y'all out there got a long barrel 357 Smith I sure would like to find one. And that's with standard ammo. It is a good idea to keep the ball rolling in the middle of the racetrack, which allows you to easily move to the left or the right to evade the obstacles. The first time I took it out to the range with two boxes of ammo I began to wonder where this little beauty had been all of my life, and why isn't our military still using these things.. Carbine pistol! This statement in the article is incorrect, "the .357 Magnum round also needed a 1/8 inch longer case to hold more gunpowder." and hunt with a 8" Dan Wesson. Hahahha, is that your "professional" opinion? I've owned and shot all. Tried a few different grips but not a lot of selection for that model, but it deserves to be on there being the first revolver with the transfer bar. no just the 627 almost the same gun so he used that one, and i agree with that choice. All the Revolvers you listed are excellent but you left out one of the best 357 Mag. .357 mag. I'm interested in purchasing a long barreled lever action rifle in either .357 Mag. towards your level. T. It weighs six pounds and holds 5+1 rounds. It comes factory-tuned from S&W with a few extra features like a fiber-optic front sight and an even smoother trigger. Personally, I feel they are more than a bit dangerous for beginners putting their fingers to far forward with the bottom round firing.. apologize for the length. 357 Automag LP 357 Herrett LR 357 Magnum SPM 357 Maximum SPM 357 Sig SP 358 Norma Magnum LRM 358 Winchester LR 35-8mm Remington Magnum LRM 375 Dakota LRM 375 H&H Flanged All in all though it is as good a choice I'd say as any on the list as far as practicality goes and at a much better price; only drawback being concealability but the Windy is similar to most of the revolvers mentioned above in that category. I was issued an M16 upon arrival to the 9th ID and we had two M3A1s on our tank (my favorite weapon for APs and LPs). Ruger also manufactures .357 Magnum revolvers, including the Blackhawk and the Vaquero. ALWAYS will be. He brings almost three decades of experience in law enforcement and shooting instruction to the table and that experience shines through in everything he does. One also must consider whether today's .357 Magnum revolvers are as good as or worse than the giants upon whose shoulders they stand. GP100 .357 Magnum #1702 Details. Black Horse was down by Saigon (one of the great outfits in the Army). Learn all the important stuff about handgunswith none of the attitude. Go get some full-power .357 loads with 158 to 170 grain bullets and compare them to the similar weight .30-30 ones. It also shoots 38 and 9mm with another cylinder. The Kimber feels beefier, it is finished better than any gun for the money. and have never had a problem with any of them. I own 2 S&W Mod. Taurus 66, 6" made the list. I bought my heavy vented rib model with 3 barrels (2.5", 4" and 8") back in early '70s (1974 I think). i love my Trooper MK3..love my ugly ole glock 31/.357sig too.. Best .357 ever!!! And yet the Security-Six is missing from the list and the GP-100 is on it. There have been discussions in the past about the comparison between the .357 Magnum and the .30 Carbine cartridges. The result is substantially more powerful than a .30 Carbine, but even on paper it takes the most exotic .357 loads to equal the most pedestrian .30-30 loadings. Pure and simple. My favorite is a Colt Trooper Mk III - 6" that I've had since 1968. It handles .357 Magnum ammunition very well, and you will feel little recoil when firing. Uh, couple more you left out, Charter Arms, Chiappa, Wesson Arms, etc. Gotta love 357 in a good frame! Without a doubt, the 357 Magnum kicks 9mm butt when it comes to effective range, energy on target, and wind drift. I won! This gun opts for a front blade sight and fixed rear sight. 357 and 44mag. No mention of the CZ /Dan Wesson revolvers? Have a 44mag revolver, and two 44mag carbines. I was there in 1966-67 II Corps. Steel is a little heavier, and better controls .357 Magnums recoil. These two rifles share a common ancestry: the lever-action Winchester Model 1894. We'll only use the information provided according to our privacy policy. I have the Ruger New model Blackhawk convertible in a 357 magnum, 6.50 in barrel. 30-30 Winchester; 30-06 Springfield; 308 Winchester; 50 Beowulf; 5.45x39; 7mm Remington Magnum; 7mm-08 Remington; 7.62x39; 7.62x54R; . Because the rim diameter of the 350 Legend is the same as the 223 Remington, 0.378", you only have to change the barrel on . I own one and compared it to the Ruger sp101 before buying the Kimber K6s. Chiappa Rhino should be on this list. We already have an account registered for email address I purchased a new Kimber K6s and a new S&W 640 Pro last month. While there are plenty of .357 models and companies that produce them, a few gun makers immediately stand out. Sounds like youre the target audience for an article detailing why the 300 AAC Blackout rifle cartridge is ballistically superior and much more powerful than 9mm handgun ammo. But in this case we are looking at two different . It become at first added in 1906, and was at the start used inside the United States Army. A great all-around handgun cartridge, but a poor choice for deer rifles, since the much more capable .30-30 can be had in rifles similar to those chambered for the .357 Mag. Only one is .357 Magnum. If you can find a Security Six in good condition, Buy it. The comparisons have all included .357 magnum pistol velocities though. .357 is a caliberof cartridge 06-30-2009 @ 12:56 AM Location Houston Texas Posts 189 Local Date 01-15-2023 Local Time 05:16 AM.30 Carbine vs .357 Magnum There have been discussions in the past about the comparison between the .357 Magnum and the .30 Carbine cartridges. You probably also know it as the gun that won the West. cases were difficult to load with light loads in the early days due to *excessive* volume. One of the GP-100's claims to fame is its robustness. While I own a number of different pistols, I love my revolvers for their simplicity, reliability, and accuracy. I bought a Galco D.A.O. The 357 Magnum and Colt Python revolver partnership is legendary in target competition with ragged one-hole results, at 50-yards . . The .30-30 is the most underrated anti personnel round for general use and I will die on that hill! 1. In fact I ordered 2 S&W 640 Pro series revolvers but did not take possession of one of them because it kept locking/jamming up while cycling PLUS the cylinder HAD TO BE FORCED OPEN! Pentration: 17.8 It was the first time I ever shot a gun. You pretty much have to hunt in a manner that gives you a very accurate shot. Each of the six rounds you place in a .357 Magnum revolver delivers some of the best performance from a handgun. "Back in the day," target loads using Bullseye powder were known to detonate in the case, instead of burning progressively. If youll be doing your shooting at anything but short ranges, you should find a good load and stick with it. The action is super smooth. I know we all have our answers to this. I experienced that in a S&W Model 10 when teaching a new police shooter on his very first day. Chuck Hawks rifle ballistics table Fuck the internet. Effective. It seems a little odd that the best selling revolvers in the history of the world,some of which are still being manufactured,are obsolete but 2 discontinued and very expensive used Colts are recommended. I read this article back in 2011 & its just as good now, Yep, same. I have a python also bought 30 years ago at about 650.00 ( also bought a security six for about 1/3 of that if I remember right). With 125-grain handloads, the revolver averaged an even 1300 feet per second and 469 pound-feet of energy, while the carbine delivered 1937 fps and 1041 lb-ft. Thats a 49 percent velocity increase and a 122 percent increase in energy from the same cartridge. They are very sturdy guns, on the heavy side, which I like (I'd say "have a nice weight to them,") good (albeit very basic, and fixed) sights.I find myself just as if not more accurate with my aptly-named Windicator than any gun of it's size, and more than any standard polymer 9mm/.40cal. Carried OWB people can definitely notice you have a gun if closely observing or if your jacket opens up a little bit which is why I mention different carry gfuns for different situations. And thats with standard ammo. That was my first gun. Slightly less recoil and significantly greater savings gives this round to the .25-06 Remington. The SP-101 is a 5-shot DA/SA .357 Magnum available in stainless steel or blued finishes. This rifle will be used for varmint hunting. Please enter a valid email address . Ive owned the Taurus and loved it but wasnt old enough to really appreciate it but it was beautiful and worked great. The GP-100 is heavier and larger than the SP101, but it helps to stabilize the gun and control recoil. It's also worth doing a trigger job to reduce the heavy and jerky pulls for both SA and DA. The development of the .357 Magnum cartridge was shepherded by some of the most brilliant minds of the era. The 125-grain loads have not quite as much muzzle energy as NATOs standard infantry rifle round, the 5.56x45mm. Yes, 2 outa the 3 are "Safe Queens". Ruger SP101, 3-inch barrel. Email. Hornady Leverevolution web page. In my opinion the .30 carbine is hotter than the .357 with the lighter-faster bullet. In the end, I decided against it, but I was glad to have learned more about this complex and controversial topic. Revolvers. The King Cobra has a perfect balance of size, weight, and barrel length that results in a great shooter that isn't cumbersome to carry. This gives me point of aim accuracy from 50-100 yards. I have a Taurus Tracker model 692, multi-caliber. In terms of personal defense firearms: i pair a s.bhawk with a 16 94ae in .44mag. But that works out pretty well because I just move the rear sight up or down a notch and both loads hit right on target. Get the latest new and updates on products, news and events. Mostly it's concealed but not totally. An old Speer reloading handbook interpolates them at about 980 fps from a pistol, which would give the carbine about a 20 percent velocity gain and a 44 percent energy gain. Correction on 2nd lb-ft calculation. My friend retired as a Lt. It was first introduced in 1934 and serves as the foundation of the Magnum Era.. I want a levergun in .357 mag so bad, Im waiting for a production lever gun in .357 Max, got money on the table. Yeah the Smitty is one fine well crafted pistol, BUT my Danny will out shoot it all day long!!! Mark also said that many lawman carried a .45 revolver and a rifle caliber Winchester lever gun. The carbine got 2038 fps (!) I dont prefer it for carry, for that I chose my sig p380 hd. This longer case makes it impossible to load a .357 Magnum round in .38 Special revolvers. I have owned 2 Model 66s (6 shot), with 4 barrels and a 2 Model 606 (not 605). I have the Ruger SP-101 with the 2.25" inch barrel and the rubber grip with the finger grooves that gives you someplace to put your pinky finger. The 158-grain semi-jacketed soft point bullet permits the quicker transfer of energy, which enables the bullet to do more damage. And when this article was written S&W were producing their new K frames that have been reinforced through the forcing cone area. Our .357 Magnum pistol: a 1980s Smith & Wesson Model 686 with a 4 barrel. Max expansion: 0.600 It features a fixed rear sight, brass bead front sight, and Hogue Overmolded rubber grips. TF. I have a 4" GP100 match champion that shoots like a dream. Yowza. There are NO sharp edges anyhwere and it comes in 2, 3 & 4 inch barrels. Shop 357 Magnum ammo online for hunting, self defense, and target practice. Hollow point ammunition works only in a narrow velocity range. But if you're looking for something to get you from A to B, Toyota, Honda, even BMW will still do that just as effectively and at a price point that is accessible. Click below for a FREE LESSON! It's also great looking gun. Would also suggest discussing the intended use for the gun. Phil carried a 30-06 during this period in his career, as a Brown Bear guide, and explained his choice of weapons, by reminding anyone that would listen, that bullet placement is 95% of killing and stopping power. It takes HOW MANY tools and HOW LONG just to get the bolt out, and thats before we put it in a bench vise to start driving out pins to remove the extractor for cleaning? Maybe Im just spoiled by more modern designs. -The recoil of the 45 Colt is much less than that of the .357 Magnum, making it more comfortable to . In this case, the .357 Magnum wins, because full power ammo pushes a 125-grain bullet 100 f.p.s. .357 is the only way to go. The Model 627 also brings a large trigger and hammer and adjustable rear sight with a gold bead front sight. Both triggers are comparable. Additionally, 125 grain 38 special +P (~1250 fps) hits point of aim at 25 yards with this zero. .30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester Type your new password and hit button below to confirm it. I certainly didnt go wrong with this group of firearms. guns & I shoot exclusively reloads now, but 357 or 38spc both run excellent in it. These revolvers are easy to conceal in a holster, purse, or fanny pack. He kept the revolver but sold me the rifle. (Both were FMJ rounds from Tula Ammo.) SJHPs for defensive use and they hit about 8 high at 100 yards compared to the 150gr. Practice with light .357 Magnum ammunition to simulate heavier loads. Well I did some research and got the ballistics for commercial .357 Magnum ammunition fired from a rifle. and 1153 lb-ft, for a 41 percent velocity gain and 98 percent boost in energy. How about when a .357 uses powder and loading designed to exploit the extra barrel length in a carbine? I too have a GP 100 and a S&W 686 Plus. Great revolvers but most people dont know anything about them. Looking at published velocity numbers from much longer test barrels, we see that cutting a .30-30 barrel down to the legal-minimum 16.5 doesnt inflict a debilitating penalty to velocity or energy. They are amazing guns. The GP 100 is a work of art. Go to revolvers then type .357 magnum. Max expansion: 0.557 For these guns, I still recommend using .38 Special ammunition for practice lead round nose or FMJ. he is just trying to say not everybody is as knowledgable as you. Varmints = groundhogs, coyotes, fox, coons, etc. For a small person, it fits me like a glove and is a beast that with the right ammo can do any kind of shooting you want to do. It is a stainless steel N large-frame revolver with a 4-inch custom underlug barrel. The bullets used in 38 SP and 357 Mag are externally the same dimensions. No, the case was made longer to prevent loading in a 38 special. I have three .357 revolvers: Even a Mauser 98 is childs play to take apart and reassemble compared to any lever gun. If it crashes into the wall of the tunnel, the run is over. The 27-2 is very nice. .45-70 turns me away at the cost. This is 326 foot-pounds in excess of the original .357 SIG load's muzzle energy, or a difference of 55.91% in favor of the .357 Magnum. I own the .357 with a 4.2" barrel and its very nice. If there is a S&W that has become redundant now it is the heavy L frame guns. I mean, if we are talking cowboy chic and rifle caliber matching ones sidearm. Retained weight: 181.7 gr . Get Our Top Shooting Drills and Zeroing Targets ($47 value - but FREE for a limited time). It only gives you the right to possess and use guns for defensive purposes. At 500 yards, the various .30-06 loads have about 7-10 (~20%) more bullet drop than comparable 7mm Rem Mag loads. Over the years I have owned most of the 357 Mag Revolvers you listed and since I reload I have put a lot of lead through them. You Pew-Pew guys(and gals) are doing a great job. I mean absolutely no disrespect toward your decisions,heck I'd love to own a python,but as someone advising new people about the world of revolvers you might want to revisit the K frame models. I own 3 of them(One happens to be an "Ashland"). COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. It's that simple. me brudder gots a tc contender chambered for that. I used the joules measurement in error. Aside from being much more powerful, the .357 Magnum round also needed a 1/8-inch longer case to hold more gunpowder. Im also a novice who is grateful for the information & the personal opinions/experiences in the comments. They have a snub nosed (2in) and full sized (6in) revolvers. .357 Mag ammo from brands like Hornady, Federal, and CCI. If price is of no concern nor is nationality, how could the Rhino be left out? Only because they're no longer in production, and they were all "hand crafted" so-to-speak in that all the parts were put together by hand. While the .357 Mag. I know nobody likes to mention the "t" word, but honestly, Taurus has really stepped up their game, and more importantly, their quality control over the past couple years. I tested this actually towards the extremes. I've owned more than one; one that I got 2nd hand I had to replace the ejector rod, but this was cheap, and would not have given me any trouble in a defensive situation where I needed more than six shots and there are very few situations that I hope I might ever run into that require more than one (well, hopefully zero!) Not laughingsaw a trick shot guy using a Rossi as this main gun. Have a S&W Model 686 Six shot .357 magnum with a 4" barrel. I agree with the Manurhin. Try your best to avoid all obstacles to survive as long as possible. Think big Magnaports and alot of fun lol. How much would a .S&W 357 mag, 586-6 shots with 8-1/4 barrel cost? I have a mid eighties Dan Wesson 357 mag 6 inch barrel ventilated rib (model is 13 V). s/w 686 367 mag or Ruger Gp100 this is my first revolver Need advise. Lucky to see light of day once a year. They are most accurate at less than 1,000 yards. There are three revolvers types in this series Chiefs Special, original Bodyguard, and the Centennial. If you are serious about hunting with the .357 magnum, then buy/use Buffalo Bore Heavy .357 - 2153 fps out of an 18.5 inch Marlin 1894P - over 1500 ft lbs energy. The King Cobra is a medium-frame 6-shot revolver with a 3-inch barrel, sporting a brushed stainless steel finish. The slopes are super steep and narrow. Gunbroker.com. the ruger redhawk also sold out thats how i found the s&w 627 all steel gun, While I would agree with most of this article, as a dedicated SA revolver person, I think you should have touched on the Ruger Blackhawk a little more. In other words, sure - a Bugatti is one of the pinnacles of cars. Id like to see reviews on the colt lightening and the Taurus thunderbolt .357 mag pump action rifles. I love the large frame guns I own 2 44 Magnum Smith & Wesson revolvers with 8 and 3/8 inch barrels and I only shoot iron sights. And the 2&1/2 barrel version is considered by myself and many knowledgeable handguners to be the best all round snub nose .357 ever. I disagree 8 shot sounds nice, but heavy and clunky so in practicality the 686+(7 shot) is much easier to carry not to mention the difference in price, the 627 just doesnt have enough to justify the cost difference over the 686+.. most forum readers tend to agree. I love it because it handles all cartridges very well. The Smith & Wesson company first started in Norwich, Connecticut, in 1852. Easy to conceal carry, highly accurate and heavy enough to handle full power loads. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzrxHjX7eWo. .357 mag Remington 180 gr SJHP fired from S&W Model 13 4 revolver and from Rossi M92 16 carbine through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin. They can move left or right automatically and their position is unpredictable. Of which Id say the Savage 99 is by far my top pick for accuracy in a lever gun. A full power 158gr. In all the times I have been deer hunting, I can hardly remember hearing the gun go offand that is a full power 30-06 with no ear muffs. for a front blade sight and fixed rear sight. As of writing this article, the lowest per-round cost for the 9mm was $0.14, while the lowest per-round for the .357 Magnum was $0.27. Who writes these articles. Ive had a S&W Mod.19 for roughly 35yrs. Too funny! But I live in a state with unrestricted open and concealed carry, so YMMV.) I will no longer be reading any of your articles. I have been a .357 fan for 50 years. Literally. In 2003 Colts new ceo decided they weren't going to build "obsolete" handguns for the civilian market anymore, decommissioned the machining tools that forged the python, and decided to focus all their attention on AR platforms for government contracts. Right there with you Haz! 357 Magnum Revolvers do not have "Proven Stopping Power". Barrel lengths differ based on which model but most float between 2 and 4 inches. The Ruger GP-100 is a 6 or 7-shot .357 Magnum revolver with a DA/SA medium frame revolver. If your gun is likely to be used primarily for recreational shooting, hunting medium game within 100 yards, or defensive use, the .357 is superior. You missed the Ruger LCRx, with 3" barrel is 1/4# lighter than the K6. Fortunately, understanding the conversions between metric and imperial for handgun calibers is quite a bit easier because there are far fewer common pistol cartridges than there are rifle cartridges. 300 Weatherby Magnum-65,000: 357 Sig-40,000: 264 Win Magnum-64,000: 300 Rem. The best current production available, especially the 5 inch 686 performance 7 shot revolver. The EAA Windicator* .38/.357 magnum from European American Armoury is an excellent choice not mentioned here.especially for those on a bit of a budget. It's easy to build muscle memory of draw, clear, finger on trigger, pull hammer and then trigger, repeat. Developed in the 1950s by Elmer Keith, the .44 Magnum improved upon the power of the .357 Magnum. But the companys first .357 Magnum revolvers wouldnt show up until 1934. Thanks for the informative charts on the S&W models and Ill have to check out their 8 round revolver that I didnt know existed! OTOH, my remaining 357, a very low mileage 4" Python in Colt Royal Blue, makes me feel better. Let us know in the comments below. I kinda like my Colt Lawman MK III with 2 in bbl and MK V with 4 in bbl. Now thats a good reply right there.hehe.. Preferably the 3" Wiley Clapp version. You have the date incorrect on the release of the Ruger GP100. You feature the Manurhin as a high-end revolver and omit the Korth/Night Hawk in your discussion-review of .357's. For the .257, that number drops down to 11, and only a few companies produce the cartridge. *to be pedantic, Americans people often pronounce "Windicator" as intuitively spelled for us "WIN"-dicator; but being a German gun, it's pronounced "VIN-dicator", same as the English word "vindicate." I also have a 6" GP100 which is incredibly accurate on steel out to 200 yards. Having shot some stuff with some stuff my observations have been a .4d4 mag and 3030 are pretty close in killing. Only an idiot would need to read an article to grasp and understand that ANY 30-30 rifle cartridge is vastly more powerful and ballistically superior to ANY 357 magnum cartridge. The Python also has a ventilated top rib and a full underlug to protect the ejection rod.

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